people, betting on this stock. i will tell you one thing about herbal life. it is a stock that's heavily traded. our viewers that trade stocks, you know, this things moves, you know, with a blink, and you know it's up 7% now. this is another -- if you're a bull on this stock, this is another sort of point in your favor. carl icahn getting in big, a guy with a big track record, goes back many years. bill has a good track record as well, but that's where we are right now. you know, the story's unfolding. like i said, you, you know, sometimes there's rumors and then there's rumors. >> and then we have this. charlie, as always, thank you very much. >> caller: any time. >> the stock was up close to 7%, dropping back just a little bit, but, still, popping on the news that carl icahn increasing his state in herbal life to 13.6%, and he can take it up to 25%. >> right. a good point, this is a lot of money we talk about. beyond hatred. >> beyond the hatred.